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Colette Brunel ([personal profile] clumsyjesus) wrote in [community profile] towerofjamjars2013-02-12 05:35 pm

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 15 Useless Facts and Responses Meme

- Post with your character, listing 15+ facts about them. These can be canon facts, headcanon facts, Animus canon facts or a combination of the three!
- Other characters ICly respond to these facts. 
- Profit. Yay!

 

vermicompost: (eighty-five)

Kariya Matou

[personal profile] vermicompost 2013-02-12 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Kariya likes reading fantasy and science fiction stories. Especially science fiction.
2. He also likes creative writing and used to write stories when he found the time.
3. Kariya left home when he was still a younger teenager, as soon as he was feasibly old enough to do so.
4. His favorite colors are blue and purple.
5. He has died once in the tower, and he has (unwillingly) killed one person here.
6. If he's ever able to return home, Kariya will die within a week.
7. Kariya's best friend growing up was a girl named Aoi, who is a few years older.
8. He's always been in love with Aoi.
9. He's made more friends in the Tower than he has back home.
10. He's always wanted to be a father, but he knows he'll never be one.
11. He likes photography. He has his camera from home here, and he takes pictures of the things in the Tower he finds beautiful.
12. The person he cares about most in the Tower is his niece Rin, even though she's from an alternate universe.
13. Kariya likes to look out for younger people in the Tower and help them if he can.
14. Kariya is infested with parasitic worms, and he can also manifest them as carnivorous winged worms in order to fight.
15. Kariya has a special fondness for flowers, which is one of the reasons he can often be found on the meadow floor. His favorites are sunflowers and red tulips.
liquidouroboros: (we are the image of the invisible)

[personal profile] liquidouroboros 2013-02-12 06:16 pm (UTC)(link)
1- I'm the result of human cloning.

2- Following from that, I am the inferior of a pair of twins.

3- As a result I have no self-confidence.

4- Nearly everything about my personality is an act. In fact, I hate myself.

5- Incidentally, I also killed my brother.

6- And blew up the giant bipedal robot he was piloting.

7- I destroy giant robots for a living.

8- In thirty-three years, there have been only two people who had any faith in my abilities.

9- One of them is dead and I've blamed myself for that for the past four or five years.

10- There is nothing that frustrates me more than someone that doesn't know how to make tea correctly.

11- When I was in the SAS as a teenager I got incredibly drunk one night and ended up with a tattoo on my left arm. I pretend it has some actual meaning, but I have no idea what was going through my head at the time.

12- I hate talking about myself.

13- I've picked up more conversational Japanese than I care to admit.

14- If I ever see Raiden again, I might just punch him solely because I can.

15- I might also shoot anyone who calls attention to half of these. Proceed with caution.
Edited 2013-02-12 18:16 (UTC)
tohko_amano: (Default)

Tohko Amano-Bungaku Shoujo

[personal profile] tohko_amano 2013-02-12 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Tohko is a pretty heavy sleeper, but she does kick and roll around a lot, depending on the sort of dreams she's having. She also has a lot of nightmares.

2. Violet is Tohko's favorite color, and she can be seen wearing it when she can, and having objects that are violet in color.

3. Tohko's birthday is on March fifteenth, and she loves looking at horoscopes for fun, when she can. Howe much she believes what's written depends upon what's going on in her life and what the horoscope says.

4. Tohko is afraid of ghosts. While that fear has lessened a bit, due to the people she's met in the Tower, she does not like malevolent spirits and will run for salt or start acting scared when she thinks they're about. However, she will try to put up a brave face when she's scared.

5. Tohko is trying to learn as many languages as she can so that she can eat and experience stories in their original formats. She thinks they'll be tastier that way.

6. Tohko sees history as the story of the world, and thus, can eat and taste it. She can also do the same with people's personal histories, viewing them as backstory.

7. Tohko gets scared, worries, and cries like everyone else, but she tries to do it alone, where no one can see her. She doesn't want to make anyone worry, and it's harder to help people when you're bawling right in front of them.

8. Tohko is very stubborn and it's near impossible to shake her off. Almost the only way is to offer her a really delicious story, and even then, you'll only get rid of her for the moment.

9. Since she's stubborn and unshakeable, you don't want to make Tohko mad. She's worse than a nest of killer bees in tenacity and has been known to throw art canvases if properly provoked.

10. Tohko, due to her love of stories, can make odd logic jumps and run with metaphors and plays on words. How much this helps or hurts the people around her and the situation she's in depends on how good her jumps are.

11. Tohko cannot actually taste normal food-even saying that it tastes like sand is false, since it doesn't taste like anything. However, since it's the best comparison she can come up with, she'll keep using it.

12. Tohko sometimes eats library books and things she's not supposed to without thinking about it. This does get her into trouble from time to time.

13. The school libraries back home respected her, since she could find things better than they could sometimes.

14. Tohko can't eat old books, as they have 'gone past their expiration dates', and would make Tohko sick.

15. She tends to sing and dance when she's drunk and has a low alcohol tolerance.
damn_meatbags: (Default)

[personal profile] damn_meatbags 2013-02-12 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
NOTHING ABOUT ME IS USELESS, MEATBAGS.
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Felix

[personal profile] lighthousediving 2013-02-12 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Felix thinks dolphins are awesome.
2. He is very much an older brother-type. Not the one that interferes in people's lives, but he just tries to look out for everyone.
3. One big reason he was happy Piers joined them? He got to fight the tougher monsters more. Seriously, girls, WHY WAS HE THE ONLY HEALER FOR A WHILE?
4. Felix doesn't really have the best taste in accessories.
5. Even if he wasn't currently thinking here that he's possibly destroyed Weyard, he wishes that he could have done the quest without involving any of his friends.
6. He hides his chips from Echo. Why would you mention not eating all of them, huh?
7. Yeah, he jumped off a lighthouse after her, but Sheba is still just his friend right now.
8. Felix has been wondering if anyone else here is potentially responsible for destroying their worlds, too. And if so, he'd like to help them out if possible.
9. Even though they were jerks, he does feel pretty bad about what happened to Saturos, Menardi, Karst, and Agatio.
10. Were Felix ever to believe that his world isn't destroyed, he would still be blaming himself for killing his parents from this canon point.
11. He's not sure if Isaac or Garet really trust him anymore, and he wouldn't blame them if they don't.
12. As much as he's been exploring, his first concern is making sure that everyone in the tower stays safe. He's beginning to see just how dangerous it is, so he's keeping an eye and ear out for anyone in trouble.
13. He gets annoyed and cranky very easily. Blame it on the company he kept for three years.
14. Felix is careful about what he eats. He knows how to find edible things and hunt thanks to traveling so much, but he tries to keep it balanced. Sooner or later he'll stop eating at the cafeteria here too.
15. Sheba's tendency to troll has been rubbing off on him.
frilliance: ((Kay) Watch it or you'll spill my tea)

Miles Edgeworth [OU]

[personal profile] frilliance 2013-02-12 10:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Facts

1. When Miles Edgeworth was a boy, he wanted to be a defense attorney like his father, Gregory Edgeworth. Unfortunately, his dreams shattered when he was nine years old – he witnessed his father’s murder when the two of them were stuck in an elevator with another man, thanks to an earthquake. Because of that incident, he is frightened earthquakes and elevators and used to have frequent nightmares about the incident.
2. After his dad’s death, Miles was taken in by veteran prosecutor Manfred Von Karma and trained to be a prosecutor. He began to hate all defense attorneys (partly because Yanni Yogi, the third man in the elevator who was suspected of killing his father got off the hook and probably partly because of the influence of Von Karma – who prided on his perfect 40 year-record of guilty verdicts), thinking that they just wanted to let criminals roam free. Like his mentor, Edgeworth also tried to get every defendant guilty through whatever method (barring the use of forged evidence). Years later, it turned out that Von Karma was Gregory Edgeworth’s real killer. Shiiiit.
3. Edgeworth eventually changed when he faced his childhood friend and rival defense attorney and Disney personified perky hero BELIEVE IN MY FRIENDS 4 EVA Phoenix Wright in court. He lost three trials in a row against Wright and even ended up getting framed for murder himself (and Wright was the only defense attorney who was willing to defend him). These incidents eventually made Edgeworth leave America to find out what being a prosecutor really meant and when he came back, he brought with him a new goal – to pursue the truth behind a case and get the right criminal behind bars. So he’s still a douche but less of one than he used to be.
4. Edgeworth has won one trial against Wright – this time though, the defendant actually was guilty and Wright was under pressure to get the guy acquitted (since Maya Fey was being held hostage ;_;). Thankfully, Edgeworth tried to help him out. The defendant was declared guilty and Maya was saved. Yay!
5. Edgeworth is great at things like the flute and golf and won awards for them when he was a child. However, he sucked at origami and as a child he broke down and cried when he failed to do it. Mention this to Edgeworth now and he’ll get pretty pissed off.


Headcanon

6. That cute little suit with a bow time he wore to school? Was Miles’ idea, not his dad’s. His dad did offer to buy him more casual kids’ clothes so he could fit in with the rest of his friends but Miles was all, “No. I want to look like my dad!” He got teased because of it but oh, well.
7. In his bedroom back home, Edgeworth has a large wooden chest in front of his bed. While it is partly to make the room to look nice, it is mainly a place to secretly stash his Steel Samurai merchandise.
8. Edgeworth does have a dog called Pess. She is a flat-coated retriever. While Edgeworth does talk to his dog a LOT (although he won’t admit it), he doesn't put his cravat around her (come on, guys - those things are expensive!). However, she does have a cravat as a comfort chew toy (she stole it from her master’s chest of drawers and by the time her master discovered what had happened, the frilly thing was in tatters).
9. While Pess is well-behaved (she comes when called and doesn’t jump up at people!), she does like to bark at the visitors because, “Hey, people! New friends! Yay!” The only person she has been aggressive towards is Manfred Von Karma – once, when he visited, she started barking and growling at the man (then again, who wouldn’t?). Therefore, Edgeworth had to keep her shut up in the back every time his foster father came to visit.
10. When Edgeworth DOES relax (which isn’t very often), one of his favourite pastimes is sitting on the sofa in the living room, with Pess happily lying down at his legs while he has a cup of tea and watches the Steel Samurai.
11. Edgeworth’s mother died when her son was about six months old from a severe illness. He’s only seen pictures of her and when he thinks about it, he supposes that he would have liked to meet her but he was very happy with just his father.
12. As for sexuality, I’m going to go on a limb and say that Edgeworth is asexual/apathetic until canon confirms otherwise. There is apparently an interview with the AA creator Shu Takami, which says that Edgeworth does not like girls although I have yet to see the actual interview (that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist though and I’d love to see it! I’ve been looking for it everywhere. ;_;). He doesn’t seem to show any interest in women or men in canon and seems to be completely oblivious to the affections some women in the series have for him (he is even shocked and horrified when his subordinate Gumshoe tells him that he’s popular with the women – “Do I really inspire such frothing desire among the female masses?”). The only exception of this is Wendy Oldbag – whom he cannot stand. Besides, Edgeworth is such a workaholic that he probably has little time to think in getting into a relationship. The day Edgeworth gets laid will probably be the day that Gumshoe gets a giant bonus in his salary.
13. He did try to take up horseback riding lessons when he was ten – Von Karma thought that it was a suitable hobby for his adoptive son and pupil to have. Unfortunately, Miles was so terrible at it and kept falling off. At the advice of his horseriding teacher, he eventually gave up and Von Karma pretty much implied, “WE WILL NOT SPEAK OF THIS MATTER”.
14. In canon, it is stated that Edgeworth has studied abroad and prosecuted in five countries. I’m going to go on a limb and say that the countries were the UK, Germany, Spain, France and Ireland. Thanks to the Von Karmas (who are German), he speaks German like a native. He also speaks Spanish and French pretty well (well enough to prosecute in those countries) although he still has accents for both of them (they’re clear enough to be understood but you can tell that he’s not a native).
15 TALKING OF HIS TRAVELS IN EUROPE - The first week Edgeworth was in Spain, his Spanish colleagues invited him to a party to be friendly and welcoming. Edgeworth thought the party would only last a couple of hours or so. Except it started around 10.00 at night and lasted until about 4.00 in the morning. Edgeworth, having yet to completely get the concept that some Spanish parties start late and can last throught the night and that people would make up for the lack of sleep with a siesta the following afternoon, kept dropping hints to his colleagues during the whole party. Said hints involved, "ISN'T IT GETTING A BIT LATE?" "YOU HAVE WORK TOMORROW". "YOU SHOULD GET SOME REST". His colleagues just laughed at him.
16. He STILL cannot do origami to save his life and while he obviously doesn't cry about it anymore he’ll still get quite angry when failing (on the rare occasions he actually tries it), being the perfectionist he is.
puppy_lancer: <user name=cu-chulainn> (she placed her snow-white hand)

Lancer (Fate/Prototype)

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-12 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
1. Cu Chulainn in fact had two foster brothers from Scathach's realm--Ferbaeth and Ferdiad. Both of them fought on the side of Connacht and Cu Chulainn killed both of them. (Ferbaeth by accident when Cu Chulainn was actually trying to talk him out of their scheduled combat, Ferdiad during their famed combat at the ford) In addition, he had a foster son named Lugaid Riab nDerg who was around ten or so years younger than him. Said foster son was hoisted to the role of a puppet High King while still a boy and later died at a young age.

2. He actually did have two dog familiars during his first life. They were Cu Sith sent by his father Lugh named Dolb and Indolb. They helped him only once in the fight against Ferdiad and were useless from thereon because Ferdiad killed both of them.

3. The one man who survived single combat against him had the literal shit beaten out of him.

4. He's picky about his cigarettes. His nose is pretty sensitive, and the cheap brands either make him sneeze or clog up his nose. On the other hand, he really doesn't care about his alcohol beyond whether or not he can get drunk off of it.

5. He's pretty scared of Aoife (the goddess/queen who was the mother of his only son). He believes that if they met again, she would kill him and then make out with his decapitated and castrated corpse.

6. Technically, he's North Irish due to most of Ulster being Northern Ireland. He'd take pride in that if he paid more attention to his geography, since in his mind, Ulster has been its own country all along.

7. He's still iffy about having to wear pants in the modern day.

8. In terms of being romantic, his second Master Ayaka Sajyou is actually a better fit for him. With Misaya, the love he bears her isn't strictly romantic. It's mixed in with the love a vassal bears for his Master, the love a big brother bears toward his little sister, and the love that a student/child bears toward the memory of his teacher/mother figure. It's an extremely strong love, but not strictly a romantic one.

9. He actually disliked having to work with Misaya's hounds, since she forced him to fight alongside them as a joke on his name.

10. He's still waiting for Misaya to come back.

11. He thinks of Prototype Saber as a prick but likes Prototype Archer (his sempai) better.

12. He's been exchanging letters with Zero Lancer. He's really glad to have such a nice big brother/roommate/friend.

13. He mercy-killed his first Master Misaya after she died of a curse and became a zombie. Needless to say, it's screwed him up quite a bit psychologically.

14. Despite having thirty years' worth of memories, he is only 20, or even younger, mentally and physically thanks to the Grail's interference.

15. He likes tough women, since they remind him of Scathach.
terreifying: (Default)

[personal profile] terreifying 2013-02-12 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
What's wrong with giant robots?
tohko_amano: (Famished Spirit)

[personal profile] tohko_amano 2013-02-13 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
Well, at least I know what hero you're supposed to be now..and I'm sorry to hear about your family and about Misaya. None of that must have been easy.

However, it's good to hear that you've been exchanging letters with Diarmuid! That must have helped, even a little bit.
puppy_lancer: <user name=maidofulster> ("Land of Song!" said the warrior bard)

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
It sure did. He helped me get back on track.

And you, little lady? How does my story taste?
Edited 2013-02-13 00:23 (UTC)
puppy_lancer: <user name=hound-of-ulster> (She passed the salley gardens)

Re: Kariya Matou

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
Photography, huh? Did you ever get that camera back?
tohko_amano: (apologetic)

[personal profile] tohko_amano 2013-02-13 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that's good to hear! It's great to hear that you're feeling better..

[If she could curse the Mun now, she would..oh no..]

Erm..your story tastes like a pretty large feast, with lots of spicy, warm meats, sour, sharp apples, and a delicious soup.

[She then sighed.]

However, I hope you know that I'm going to look at you as a friend first and not just a hero from a story, alright?
puppy_lancer: (From glen to glen)

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
Really! I'm glad that the hero's story tastes like the hero's portion.

[He nods.]

That would be for the best. I don't like being a character from a story either.
tohko_amano: (droop)

[personal profile] tohko_amano 2013-02-13 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Well, it would be weird if it tasted like anything else, in my opinion.

[Tohko nodded in return.]

..I don't blame you. It's not like that story was full of sweet parts and happy times. It's weird..I find that people who see themselves as characters from stories or who are the characters in stories tend to have tough times.
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[personal profile] altitonant_emperor 2013-02-13 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
1. Hidetoshi is internally slightly afraid of over half the people in the Tower because he knows they're stronger than him, and even if they can't really "die" here, getting physically hurt scares him. Chances are, if you're not from his world/timeline or within his age bracket and have supernatural powers, he is worried deep down that you can kill him and he can't stop you. Same goes for the Tower itself: he is living in a environment where he could get killed at any moment and he hates it.

2. When Hidetoshi was little, the expectations his parents had for him were extremely high. His mother and father had both been highly influential in their respective high schools and very active leaders in the college they attended together, and expected much the same out of their only son. His father had left his family when he was young and illiterate, and worked his butt off like an energizer bunny for every scrap of education he obtained afterwards. His mother was from a finically well-off family: they met in college, and hit it right off.

3. He HATES being wrong. The only he hates more than being wrong is the admins and people who accuse innocents.

4. After the arrest of his father, Hidetoshi lost his trust in other people, lost any respect he had harbored for his father's authority before for letting it happen in the first place, and cut himself off from whatever friends he had and kept everyone safely away at arms' length. He put all his efforts into being the best person he could by his parents’ old standards. (Which meant being a jerk wad.) He refused to communicate with his father more than necessary, and his mother cut herself off even more than Hidetoshi did—she barely acknowledged that Hidetoshi's father, and occasionally Hidetoshi himself, existed.

5. Deers are his favorite animal (if asked, he'll claim he likes hawks because he's stupid) and yellow is his favorite color.

6. He's really hardheaded at times. (Most of the time.)

7. Hidetoshi has never had a girlfriend or had a relationship with anyone along those lines. It does bug him that he's disinterested in what everyone else seems to be so invested in (i.e sex) but he generally totally ignores any misgivings he has and pretends they don't exist. He's... interested in romance, not sex?

8. On that note if he ever enters into a relationship, Hidetoshi would be a clumsy lay. Not that he wouldn't try or not put forth 176% effort in bed, he is just one of those people who is no good in the sack no matter how experienced he gets. On the bright side, he is a fantastic cuddler and provides excellent body heat.

9. The reason his father's arrest for hit him so hard, was not just because he had been arrested for a crime he hadn't committed: it was because of the people who stood by and just let it happen. People his father had trusted. People who were his friends and coworkers. People that Hidetoshi had known from since he was little, who gave him presents, and came over to his house for dinner or simply a visit. These same people had put all the blame onto his father without a second's hesitation for convenience's sake.

Wow, hello trust issues.

10. Hidetoshi had two mild phobias that have no specific reason for them; pnigophobia (fear of choking) and pediculophobia (fear of headline).

11. He takes himself very, very seriously even though he's lightened up some.

12. In order of who he respects from the most to the least: Minato, his father, and Mitsuru, and Enoch, and in a distant fifth place, Fate/Prototype Lancer. (Though that's partly because older self and partly because Lancer was helpful during Halloween.)

13. The main reason he decided to push for the role of the student council president, wasn't only his blatant ambition. It was a mixture of getting rid of his constant worries about others betraying him by securing a spot on the top, satisfying his desperation for power, and trying to cheer up his mother by making her proud.

14. He really does want to be worthy of himself and be the best person he can be, and make the world a better place. Hidetoshi, however narrow-minded or harsh he was/is, is an idealist at heart.

15. Before being pulled to Animus, he was studying to become a teacher and looking for a decent job so he could pay his father's bail, and see if he could patch their family back together.
puppy_lancer: <user name=hound-of-ulster> (The harp he lov'd ne'er spoke again)

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't always a story. I just lived as a hero and then someone wrote my adventures down. But aren't we all characters in our own stories?
thiscloakisgreen: (chibi)

cuz we haven't seen him do it yet. =p

[personal profile] thiscloakisgreen 2013-02-13 01:10 am (UTC)(link)
One week!? I surmised an afternoon's time! There must have been some mistake....!

IMPOSSIBLE! MATOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU!!!!
tohko_amano: (apologetic)

[personal profile] tohko_amano 2013-02-13 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I know..I just tend to view people's personal history as backstory, and thus, even if it isn't written down, it's still a story.

..I'm probably not making much sense, am I?

However, while you are right in saying that we're all characters of our own stories, there are some people who have lives that overlap with the lives from characters in books. My friend, for example, kept linking her life back to No Longer Human. Not that it didn't fit, mind you.
puppy_lancer: (And white with snow)

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
[He takes a second to try to understand that.]

I've had a pretty happy life. I wouldn't mind if someone else's life overlapped with my story on the good parts.
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Victor von Doom

[personal profile] thiscloakisgreen 2013-02-13 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
1. von Doom is a talented pianist and artist. He is angry about not having the quiet solitude to paint

2. He is 100% unaware of the peaceful parts of the tower.

3. Doom lost both of his parents to a corrupt dictatorship, but was rescued by his uncle, Boris.

4. He has adopted a young boy named Kristoff who is being shaped to be Latveria's true heir. He also has a daughter, but that's....complicated.

5. His mother was a witch.

6. Dr. Doom's doctorates are self awarded. Although I'm not one to argue that he doesn't deserve them.

7. He has dressed as Santa Claus on more than one occasion.

8. He has also fought future versions of himself on occasion.

9. He defeated Mephisto and saved his mother's life from damnation.

10. Dr. Doom is the second most powerful wizard in his world. The strongest is the current Sorcerer Supreme.

11. He once took the Power Cosmic and threatened to reshape the world in his image. It didn't work out.

12. Doom insults absolutely everyone. And that includes you.

13. Victor is his first name. He has made some friends and some enemies since coming to Animus, and most don't realize that he even has a first name.

14. If Doom ever met Zouken Matou, he would kill him instantly. And he doesn't even know the guy.

15. The thought of immortality doesn't interest Doom at all. In fact, he's quite offended by the idea despite him being more than capable of extending his own life by centuries. See above fact.
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[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the respect, kid. And it's pretty shitty what happened to your father.
tohko_amano: (Nervous laugh)

[personal profile] tohko_amano 2013-02-13 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
[At that, Tohko smiled.]

While it's good that you had a happy life, and while it wouldn't be bad if someone's life overlapped with the good parts of your story..there are some people who compare themselves to Oba Yozo from No Longer Human and try to die, or people who see themselves as Ivan the Homeless and believe themselves to be worthless.
puppy_lancer: <user name=cu-chulainn> (And kneel)

[personal profile] puppy_lancer 2013-02-13 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
Huh. Why would they ever do that?
altitonant_emperor: /long-suffering facial expression goes here (♔ they mistake selfishness for freedom)

[personal profile] altitonant_emperor 2013-02-13 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
You earned it. [By trying to help him in fighting off a rabid wolf and such, being nice during the event. At the mention of his dad, he looks away a little.] It happens. It was wrong, but I'll set it right.

[Absolutely utterly convinced of this!]

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